By Matt Smith
It has always been said that pitching and defense is what wins you World Series titles, and for the most part that seems to be true. Whichever team’s pitching staff gets hotter or goes deeper rotation wise, seems to be hanging around in October.
Look at the last five champions: 2007- Red Sox, 2006- Cardinals, 2005- White Sox, 2004- Red Sox, 2003- Marlins.
The only team you think of on that list that didn’t win it with great pitching when it counted was the Red Sox of ’04, but let’s not forget that that team had five 10-game winners, including Pedro Martinez and Curt Schilling.
The other four teams were led by phenomenal pitching, especially that White Sox team. Last year’s Red Sox team could score runs, but they were invariably led by their pitching when it came down to it.
So as teams look to build deeper rotations built for making late season pushes, we have seen the demise of tremendous 1-2 combinations with teams. There aren’t very many Sandy Koufax/Don Drysdale or Palmer/Mike Cuellar combinations that strike fear into you.
Granted, those were some of the best pitchers of their team, but the point is that when you look at team’s rotation these days, very few jump out at you as having a great 1-2 punch.
Here is what I think are today’s top five combinations and it’s not just based on combined wins, or combined ERA. A lot of factors are taken into consideration, including whether or not a team should be worried about facing a certain guy.
1. C.C. Sabathia/Fausto Carmona, Cleveland: Not only did the two combine for 38 wins, an ERA of 3.14 and 336 K’s, they are ages 27 and 24 respectively. They throw cheddar in the high 90’s and they are only going to get better. To me this is the best 1-2 combination in baseball right now.
2. Brandon Webb/Dan Haren, Arizona: The Diamondbacks already had the second best pitcher in the National League last year, so they when it and added one of the five best in the American League. Webb had a career year with wins (18), ERA (3.01), and strikeouts (194). Now Haren brings his American League-leading ERA of 3.07 to the NL, where there is an automatic out every time the ninth spot comes up.
3. John Lackey/Kelvim Escobar, Anaheim: A combined 37 wins, 339 K’s and an ERA in the low three’s is all fine and dandy, but the stuff factor plays a big role here. On a lot of days, either of these two has such good stuff that you can’t imagine how they won’t win 20 games for the rest of their career.
4. Erik Bedard/Felix Hernandez, Seattle: In terms of just pure upside, this is as dangerous a tandem that exists. They both have filthy stuff and you never, ever want to face either one of them. They do have some concerns about staying healthy, but they will combine for close to 35 wins this year and a whole lot of strikeouts.
5. Tim Hudson/John Smoltz, Atlanta: As much of a slam dunk as the other four tandems were, the fifth duo is completely open to debate. I couldn’t pick another tandem over these two just based on grit, determination and experience. Combining for 30 wins, an ERA of 3.22 and 329 K’s also speaks very highly of the duo.
What if duo’s: As far as a tandem that makes you think what if so and so could just stay healthy or things of that nature, one pops into my mind as more prominent than the rest and that is the duo in Toronto. Roy Halladay is an ace on just about any staff, and with the stuff A.J. Burnett has, Blue Jay fans must have thought that 40 percent of the time they were looking at an automatic win. But Burnett has been injury prone which has ruined a potential top five tandem.
On the Verge: There are several teams with young pitchers who are very close to being a prominent 1-2 punch and two pop into mind in particular. Scott Kazmir and James Shields in Tampa Bay are probably a year away from being a lock down top part of the rotation and Justin Verlander and Jeremy Bonderman could be even better in Detroit. Verlander is clearly there already and Bonderman has stuff, but just needs to put it together.
In the future: In two or three years, we will be talking about two of the top duos being on the West Coast with the Giants having two studs, Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum at the top of the rotation, with the Dodgers countering with their two budding stars, Chad Billingsley and Clayton Kershaw.
Left off the list: The question here is how much having perhaps the best pitcher in baseball makes up for the lack of a solid No. 2, and since this is dynamic duo’s, it doesn’t make up for it very much, hence not seeing Johan Santana on this list. John Maine does not strike fear into the heart of anyone and Pedro Martinez has a lot to prove after not pitching for a year. Clearly Josh Beckett is a stud, but with Curt Schilling’s status and future unknown and with Daisuke Matsuzaka’s inconsistencies, it’s hard to consider the Red Sox ace. Jake Peavy is probably the best righty in the NL, but Chris Young is wild, inconsistent and too overrated to include on this list. The Cubs’ Carlos Zambrano is insane and Ted Lilly is not someone I trust in a big game. Roy Oswalt is super good, but the Astros rotation behind him is one of the worst assembled in recent years.
300 wins or bust: Entering the 2008 baseball season, there are two pitchers with perceivable, yet unrealistic chances at reaching the 300-win plateau; Randy Johnson, who enters with 284 wins and Mike Mussina, who has 250.
Johnson is 45 with back problems, but a very good year, or perhaps if he hangs on for another year, could get him there. I don’t think he’ll have the gas on the tank. Mussina is 38 and would just need four seasons of 12-13 wins a year, but I am not sure he can even do that anymore.
After these two, there is no feasible chance for anyone to reach that mark for a long time.
To put in perspective, Barry Zito is 29, and has 113 wins. Roy Oswalt is also 29 with 112 wins. Roy Halladay is 30 with 111 wins, and 28-year old Johan Santana, perhaps the most dominating pitcher in the game, has only 93 wins.
These guys are or were dominant and they still cannot reach that plateau. The player with the biggest outside chance is C.C. Sabathia, who will be 27 this season and has 100 wins. I say outside chance because he would need to average 20 wins a year for the next 10 years to get there. That or hang around until he is 44.
Pitching has morphed and we should say goodbye to the 300-win benchmark. I think 200 wins in this day in age is amazing and 250 wins is something we may never hear of again in our lifetime.
Baseball is an offensive minded game and has been for nearly 40 years, which is why we see batting records being shattered and pitching records not being touched.
Can anyone guess how many active pitchers are in the top 100 all-time in ERA? One. Pedro Martinez with a 2.80 career ERA is tied for 100th. After his first outing this year, he will fall out of the top 100.
Can you imagine?? A career ERA in today’s day and age and it’s not top 100 worthy?
Can you guess how many active pitchers are in the top 100 in complete games? Top 200? 300? 400? Zero. Top 500? One. Curt Schilling with 83. Shutouts? Three. Roger Clemens, Randy Johnson and Greg Maddux and there won’t be anyone approaching the top 100 for a long-time with the next highest active total being 25 by Tom Glavine, good for a 173rd place tie. There isn’t anyone under 35 in the top 500.
I guess this is a long way of me saying that I am a purist, who likes two hours games, that end 2-1 where both pitchers go at least seven innings. This type of game hasn’t existed in my lifetime and probably never will.
Girardi’s reaction: This was an interesting topic for discussion. How could Yankees new manager Joe Girardi, with a straight face, defend Shelley Duncan for coming in high on a takeout slide against Tampa Bay’s Aki Iwamura, just days after going on a tirade about a clean hit at home plate that injured a Yankee Minor League catcher.
He argued that there was no place for that in Spring Training, but then defended Duncan. Yes, it’s hypocritical and yes he looks like a jackass, but the thing is he is just being a Major League manager. He is defending his players.
I would expect any manager to do it, and I don’t think he is correct in what he is saying, but you have to do it; especially if you are the brand new manager of the New York Yankees. Does Girardi bother me? Yes. Would I expect Joe Torre or Bruce Bochey to do the same thing and what it bother me more or less pending on who was doing it? Probably.
It’s all part of the game.
3/13/08
MLB Notes: Dominant pitching a thing of the past
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Some good stuff, nice reserarch of facts. How could you leave off Becket and either Dice K or Schilling though? I guess the possible injuries is why you left them off. Oakland could be tough if Harden is healthy all year and Blanton continues to improve.
I'll take this one Matt. Beckett's ERA was 5.01 in 2006 and he's injury prone. Daisuke definitely has the tools, but is inconsistent, posting a 4.40 ERA. Maybe too much hype? Schilling is old and has been getting by on guile since he stopped taking steroids...er, hurt his ankle, and lost 5-6mph off of his fastball. He's still a smart pitcher, but by no means dominant to the point that opposing teams don't want to face him. Teams do feel that way about Beckett, but that's it.
What about Cole Hamels and Brett Myers? Or Ubaldo and franklin morales?
As on the cusp or up and coming combos? Thoughts?
I would dispute the lackey/escobar tandem as being the 3rd best in baseball though, because escobar has only once pitcher over 200 innings, never struk out 200 in a season and besides last year never won more than 4 games than he lost in 1 particular season (and the 4 came when he was 7-3 in in 1998 as a part time starter).
I would say these 1-2 duo's are better than lackey/escobar
1- beckett/dice-k- beckett is probably the best pitcher in the AL and Dice-K should improve this year, he's only 27 and had 200 K's last year facing MLB batters for the 1st time.
2- kasmir/shields- Kasmir struck out 239 batters in a tough AL East last year, and Shields had a GREAT 2nd half last year which should give momentum going into '08
3- Harang/Arroyo- I don't like Arroyo that much, but I like him more than Escobar, and Harang is the NL's version of Lackey. Harang is a great K pitcher on a bad team in a hitters park. Their weak pen also hurts these guys numbers
4- Johan Santana and Pedro (or Maine or even Oliver Perez if Pedro is hurt)- When you have the best pitcher in baseball as your #1, you or I could be pitching and I'd still like them over Lackey/Escobar. While Pedro at age 34, Maine or Inconsistent Oliver Perez aren't studs, they are good enough. Plus they play the Marlins 20 times this season!
5- Smoltz/Hudson- Age over beauty here...haha....because Lackey is the MLB David Beckham. Seriously though, Smoltz is ageless, he has some great pitchers behind him, and Hudson had a great rebound season in 07, although he did struggle after the all star break.
What are your thoughts???
I think Peavy-Young is getting short shrift. We're talking the returning Cy Young award winner and a strong pitcher who was having a very good year (led in ERA) until done in by injuries.
Mike, in light of Beckett's 2007 campaign, pointing out his 5.01 ERA in 2006 seems a tad specious (never mind his 200+ innings, 150+ strikeouts, and 16 wins). To me, Dice-K is the hole this tandum (Shilling is just a goose-stepping nazi who should be beneath all of our consideration by now). I'm not saying Dice-K is Hideki Irabu, but I'm unswayed at this point.
Hudson/Smoltz? Come now, Matty, do we get the sale price on that one? Maybe toss in Maddux/Glavine for old time's sake?
Random aside: Rumor mills claims JaMarcus Russell recently weighed in at over 300 lbs. Uh oh. What in the name of Levon Hernandez is going in in Raiderland?
Like I said before, I am picking the tandems based on the ability of the No. 1 and No. 2, not the superhuman ability of the No. 1. Johan can throw a no-hitter one playoff game, but when a ragged Pedro, or a shaky John Maine or Oliver Perez take the mound in game two, that team is leaving with a 1-1 split. Same goes for the Red Sox, I can't rank that tandem just because Dice-K should get better. He could get worse, he could stay the same. I acknowledged Shields and Kazmir on the cusp and there is no way that Harang/Arroyo make the list. Harang is very good, Arroyo... not so much.
After having a talk with one of my friends, I still can't believe he attacked the Smoltz/Hudson pick. Their combined numbers are so good. They were top five numbers, with ease. I would also like to add that most baseball fans (well, Mike and I at least) know that Chris Young is a fraud. You have to know he is horrible.
Ubaldo and Morales might be good, but Morales is still a very unknown variable. Hamels is a stud, but Myers still has a lot to prove.
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